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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:11 pm 
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Blue is actually my frontrunner species at the moment, but plenty of time for that to change... I do love fire.

As an off-the-wall question, if we took levels in a divine caster class, would there be a way to convert innate spellcasting to stack with it? Is cleric-spells-as-arcane just limited to the metallic dragons, or do reds and blues get it like they did in 3.5? (Also on that note, it was a houserule of mine to give green and black dragons druid spells in the same fashion.)


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:01 pm 
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No converting of innate divine spellcasting. Dragons get sorcerer spells, sorcerer class spells are the only ones that stack. Now, if you ended up with the cleric template or somesuch, that might be similar to what you were looking to do?

My goal is to stay very straightforward with the mechanics. A lot of cuteness already comes from being a dragon, so I'm playing by the book for the most part.

Blues/Reds have divine spellcasting, I didn't realize they'd lost it in PF. Any other spells off other lists that you think are appropriate can be obtained in the same manner that a sorcerer can develop new spells.


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:10 am 
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So what I got so far is a white dragon with the following concept blurb.

Skarr's outlook on life is simple and can be condensed down to two parts. The first is that Might Makes Right. That outlook would be more palatable to his ego if he was somewhat larger, or stronger. As is, he must make do with his cunning and cleverness, which generally means he plays with his food by stalking it and hissing at it until it runs away so he can keep chasing it until he gets bored and eats it. He enjoys hiding and spying on others, especially his clutch-mates, because it makes him feel smarter and far more clever than they are. The other part is centered around a very complex Draconic concept called "Ehtah-Nakta Oprinqu-Iteshk". Draconic is a beautifully complex language and unfortunately a great deal of nuance is lost in translation when younger races attempt to do so, the closest Common comes to the concept is "finders keepers (losers weepers)" with a bit of "divine right" colored paint covering the concept. Regardless, Skarr is still only a wyrmling white dragon (the degenerate inbred hicks of True Draconic Society); he has had to make do with collecting things like gnawed bone fragments, broken twigs, polished bits of ice, oddly shaped rocks and the like to sleep on. When he sleeps on his tiny hoard of garbage that the elders will take from him in the morning because it is made of garbage, he dreams of a bigger, better, more glittery hoard (it is still a pile of garbage in his dreams though, just higher quality garbage).

This is a dragon who's personal goals right now basically consist of taking things from people weaker than him and rolling around in them. If he takes non-dragon HD for advancement purposes, he'd probably take rogue levels. Seeing as how he is a white dragon and they are the weakest type of dragon, if there's a huge gulf caused by mismatched dragon types among the PCs, I wouldn't mind playing a more intelligent and less... let's say maliciously Darwinian version of him as a Copper dragon (I might do that anyway! There's a long time between now and the game getting off the ground).


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:47 am 
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You mentioned over AIM a degenerate branch of the dragon family tree going back to Nidhoggr. Would this branch be linnorms?


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:16 pm 
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Linnorms are the big names on it. Gorynych, nycar, peluda, tatzlwyrms, zmey, tannivers...all part of the rotten branch.


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:21 pm 
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[quote=KoboldArchmage]Skarr[/quote]

I think you mean Ehtahnakta Oprinquiteshk? I like it. Ir ihk shio vur throdenilt ihk ve. Given that you did pick the weakest race, a bit of buffing of the base character will likely be required, but perhaps the rogue template and a bit of a horde to match that in the description will narrow any gaps.


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:07 pm 
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Yes, the biggest starting pile of garbage will be MINE. One for all and more for me indeed. Suck it reds!

Also wyrmling whites have like Intelligence 6 or something, I'm pretty sure his grasp of Draconic is far shakier than my shaky grasp.

You mentioned that "all dragons gain the ability to change shape by juvenile" but I'm not seeing that in the Pathfinder Bestiary, is that spelled out elsewhere or something?

What's the living condition of the clutch? Are we being raised by a parent or sibling of our own color and brought together regularly to be socialized together in draconic playdates? Are we all raised in a clutch in one cave system with a couple older family members that watch over us and make sure we don't eat each other?


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:24 pm 
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KobaldArchmage wrote:
You mentioned that "all dragons gain the ability to change shape by juvenile" but I'm not seeing that in the Pathfinder Bestiary, is that spelled out elsewhere or something?

It's a Kain houserule.

Speaking of Kain rules, am I correct in assuming that the draconic age advancement replaces your normal scheme for improving ability scores?

Still trying to decide between blue or gold.


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:09 pm 
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For the purposes of schemes, the racial HD from age advancement will be kept entirely separate from the bonus HD and/or class levels from level advancement. The latter will function off my normal scheme. The former will use draconic age advancement.


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 Post subject: Re: Dragons in the Dark
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:51 pm 
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WarDragon wrote:
It's a Kain houserule.

There a list of these house rules? That seems like something I should familiarize myself with.

Edit - found it.


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