Kain Darkwind wrote:
I think that once you've got a Batman who kills and brands people, you're definitely going to get a Joker that is off color as well. The DCU, as a whole, is already hard put to sell us on Suicide Squad. Their Superman is grim, brooding and destroyed easily over a billion dollars worth of property. (People are seriously worried he broke Zod's neck when he punched and threw Zod through populated buildings?) Their Batman is certifiable, absolutely less stable than the Punisher. Nakedly murderous. Suicide Squad's entire appeal is that it is villains, doing good guy stuff in a bad guy way, but any darker than the World's Finest and you're making something like child snuff porn. Or random FBI Agent snuff porn, I suppose.
These are all excellent points and I put the blame squarely at the WB's feet. Rather than making sure folks with real superhero understanding were integrally involved in development (as with the Marvel movies and
Netflix releases, and the DC television shows), WB allowed directors with little to no experience with adapting traditional comics into relatively original films to hold the reins. The only reason Zack Snyder managed to pull off films like 300
is because he didn't have to do much other than translate the source material. With Watchmen
he found ways (perhaps in part because it was movie adaptation) to completely miss a lot of the nuance of the source material. The folks in charge of the DC franchises do not understand or even respect these characters... Or the fans.
And while I agree with every single one of your problems with the film, I still had fun with it, and I still say it's better than anything back to Man of Steel/Nolanverse. GL, JH, BvS. Also better than Catwoman and Steel, but that's getting much further back. Similar to Richard Pryor and Superman 3. A horrific mess, but with bright spots and enjoyable moments.
Yes, if we compare SS and BvS to virtually every other DCU Murderverse movie, they surpass them. But I would argue that we compare these to the two other best contemporary standards of comic book movies instead: the MCU and the DC television shows (well, except for Gotham
. These are two alternatives that have routinely shown how this could be done. I'm not willing to accept messes with some bright spots (and I did laugh on occasion in this movie... Harley Quinn was funny), but I'm tired of one DC Murderverse mess after another.